Scum and Villainy
David Brin
Corry L. Lee
Pierce Ludke
Shoshanna
Robin Hobb
- Favorite Villains
- David: Alan Rickman in Die Hard. Pattern: you can give the villain a speech, and he can be fascinating and rationalizing. You can’t give the hero a speech, because it’s alienating.
- Corry: Dr. Horrible. Sympathetic villain. He wants something.
- Pierce: Dracula. The Joker.
- Shoshanna: Villain as central character. Richard the 3rd. Frankenstein’s Monster.
- Richard the 3rd: He’s likable and charismatic, but he’s horrible.
- Robin: Moriarity. Snape. Snape is more interesting than Dumbledore. And sympathetic.
- Villains are victims of their circumstances.
- The villain is never the villain in their own story.
- Tolkien: the elves could be seen as the villains. The victors get to write the propaganda. Soroman could just be viewed as an industrialist who wanted to raise up the proletariat.
- Brin: The ability of villains to rationalize. As a writer, you can make the rationalizations almost tempting to reader and to the hero.
- Corry; The ends justify the means archetype. As a reader, we can believe that.
- The villain has less rules guiding their behavior, compared to the hero.
- We as readers also have rules that govern our behavior, and we like to experience freedom by living vicariously through the villain, who experiences more freedom.
- Robin:
- The Heros, Joe Abercrombie. You see two sides of a two day war. By the end you don’t know who you are going to root for, and no matter which way it goes, it is going to be tragic.
- Prince of Thorns: does unspeakable things to win, but you come to see his point of view.
- Book by Anne Pratchette about terrorists who lock japanese businessman in a room, and by the end you are rooting for the terrorists.
- calling the paid protectors (e.g. 911)
- the hero doesn’t think to call them
- the hero calls them but they don’t come
- they come but they are incompetent
- they come and their competent, but they are in cahoots with the villain
- or the villain has framed you
- and it scales with the threat: in the movie independence day, the entire united states citizens, the u.s. military and police force are all good and all competent, because the threat is so large.
- the villainy is on a sliding scale, along with the competency of the paid protectors.
- the villain can ensure the protectors don’t show up.
- all that is required for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing
- flowers for algernon: there isn’t a villain. it’s the circumstances. fate is the villain.
- yellow wallpaper